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alsoknownas1
I code jockey for https://kittyhawkmontrose.newgrounds.com/
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@DioShiba

"Hence why I'm saying its going to be a no win situation on all sides. At that point, what would it matter?"

Well, it sure means a whole lot to me when I've spent nearly 4 years of my life building a webcomic audience. Especially since my webcomic deals in pretty taboo territory. Am I supposed to feel comfort knowing a mod could just yeet me off the site cuz I made a mistake like argue with the wrong BBS member? 4 years of work down the drain cuz I stepped on an eggshell with the mod staff? How am I supposed to grow an audience in an environment that seems keen to punish anyone for a (perceived) transgression?

For more context. I was considering returning to BBS to reach out to more people and get a new set of eyes on my work. But then I saw this whole shit show play out and realized "Hey, this stuff happening to Kittyhawk, this could be me if I step out of line". I then made the decision to never stick my head in BBS ever again. I will very likely tell others to not bother with BBS since this is how the mod staff treat those they personally don't like. How is that healthy for any community, let alone one on life support and continuing to fade in relevance?

"Turkey would have gotten shit either way had he left the thread opened or locked. Thats where its a lose-lose situation for the moderation team. Far as the ban goes I can see where that's excessive but even then that alone doesn't remove the fault of the atagonism on the other side either, as you put it."

I've worked retail. I've had people scream in my face and throw shit at me for not getting their order right, or not getting it right in the way they THINK it should have been done. I've seen plenty of guys in retail either quit from the pressure, become husks of their former selves, or turn into absolute jackasses in hopes it will help them reclaim some form of power. TurkeyOnAStick is spitting in the food cuz he doesn't like certain users for reasons unknown to us all. Maybe you can humanize it. But it puts people like me at risk for incurring his wrath if he's that willing to stretch his powers.

@alsoknownas1 with all due respect, If I were in Kittyhawk's shoes and Template was making a comment insinuating that making NSFW art was "perpetuating a culture of rape and pedophila", while I voiced one disagreement as to why that isn't the case and insisted on continuing that conversation, I would block him and move on as opposed to engaging with him and risk getting on the moderator's bad side.

Having been in that position before on this site where someone was making accusations about me back when the politics forum was open and elsewhere, thats exactly what I did and that yielded better results for me in my situation.

Different but similiar situtation, different circumstances. All I'm saying is that this situation could have been avoided all together with that in mind.

I've obviously not accused you of r***, but things here have gotten pretty heated, yet here we are: we've both stayed engaged and no one has been hurt or banned or anything of the sort. You haven't had to worry about there being "consequences" because you know I'll give you a fair shake and I'm not going to delete or ban you. The problem is lack of a fair shake, not things getting heated.

[edit: speaking of being engaged. It's 2am here and I really have to go to bed. It sucks, I'll try to respond to anything else you have to say as I can tomorrow. I feel bad for this man. The spherical nature of the earth sucks.]

@alsoknownas1 you haven't accused me of anything but that isn't to say that other people have in previous situations I had involvement in on this site.

Ironically enough, in the situation I was thinking of and another one where I first interacted with Turkey he did give me a fair shake on those two things in particular and moderation took my side. I was willing to co-operate with him there and provide information he was asking for.

However, I would imagine that he may have not been willing to do that had I not been co-operative on my end.

I do not know if another staff member can speak to why Kittyhawk would not get a fair shake. I can see where thats frustrating that said, but there's only so much I can say without speculating too deeply on the matter. That's something for another mod or adminstration to say.